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Title: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 05, 2008, 07:04:41 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOEws5VMKi4[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oJWXdxwt2c[/youtube]
I can't smoke myself
but it looks fun
no?
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on May 05, 2008, 07:51:53 PM
The Unfunny Truth about Doug Benson
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 05, 2008, 08:22:31 PM
I think hes pretty funny
I just downloaded his movie SuperHighMe
am watching now



PFT is in this

aw shit
they have weed lip balm
not blue
Green
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: erika on May 05, 2008, 08:28:43 PM
It's a great great great movie. Everyone should watch it. Everyone. Whether you're into pot or not...

I downloaded it but plan on buying it when it comes out.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 05, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
It's a great great great movie. Everyone should watch it. Everyone. Whether you're into pot or not...

I downloaded it but plan on buying it when it comes out.

I'm noticing that it is good
not what I expected
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Jouster on May 05, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
Ignore Junk, the guy's crankier than almost anyone else on the internet as far as I can tell.  But he's still a Good Guy!
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on May 05, 2008, 10:01:11 PM
It's a great great great movie. Everyone should watch it. Everyone. Whether you're into pot or not...

I downloaded it but plan on buying it when it comes out.


I saw a screening of it and enjoyed it thoroughly, though I don't share Erika's opinion that everyone should see it.  Everyone in my family, for example, should not see it. 
Hopefully the DVD will feature additional PFT, Bob Odenkirk, Dana Gould, Ms. Miss, etc...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2469806174_fd237f93dc.jpg?v=0)
I like Doug Benson!
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on May 05, 2008, 10:16:01 PM
I'm not really familiar with Mr. Benson's work.  I was mostly responding to that weird canabis porn video.

It's true, though.  I'm pretty cranky these days.

Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Emily on May 05, 2008, 11:17:13 PM
It's a great great great movie. Everyone should watch it. Everyone. Whether you're into pot or not...

I downloaded it but plan on buying it when it comes out.

you can download pot?

link please!
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 12:49:14 AM
I wish I could smoke weed
for some reason I have the either the unusual body chemistry or mind state
where it sends me into a mini schizophrenia.

It looks fun for those that can take it.


Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: samir on May 06, 2008, 01:37:02 AM
I saw the film and really, really didn't like it.
Maybe I'll explain that later, but I just got home from seeing Kanye West visually and sonically make my head explode.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on May 06, 2008, 02:04:29 AM
you can download pot?

link please!

P.M me.  (just kidding, Officer Tom)
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Dorvid Barnas on May 06, 2008, 02:14:02 AM
I saw the film and really, really didn't like it.
Maybe I'll explain that later, but I just got home from seeing Kanye West visually and sonically make my head explode.

I look forward to your critique of Super High Me, but I will bear in mind the fact that you missed The Best Show to attend a John "honest to blog" Ford Q&A.

Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Sarah on May 06, 2008, 07:28:38 AM
[Junk]'s crankier than almost anyone else on the internet as far as I can tell. 

I think you should be proud, JJ.  And I'm not being sarcastic.  Really and truly.  I find your young curmudgeonliness admirable.  (Note:  It is almost impossible to say "I'm not being sarcastic" without seeming sarcastic.  I blame Andy Breckman.)
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: masterofsparks on May 06, 2008, 07:42:26 AM
I'm with Todd Barry in thinking that there are few things more annoying than a pothead. I'm not talking about casual users, I'm talking about the people who are overzealous like it's their religion or something.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Sarah on May 06, 2008, 07:47:21 AM
Listening sober to the conversation of people high on anything is painful, I find. 
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: erika on May 06, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
Same with people who drink. I find drunk people pretty loud, obnoxious and annoying. Or, on the other hand... they could be depressed or violent. That's always fun too.

And the smell...

I find that I am not a fan of alcohol. I don't have the stomach for it and as I just said, I find most drunk people very annoying. I think alcohol is dangerous, as well... Trust me, I've had fun with it and I love a beer now and then, but human beings abuse it.

On the other hand, at least for me, pot does little more than what Doug said in the movie... it makes things a little fun! It doesn't turn me into a different person as I've seen alcohol do on more than one occasion to many different people.

Yes, a goofy, immature stoner that you can pick out from a mile away is probably just as annoying as someone who is drunk.

I smoke every day, hold a good job with a lot of responsibility, talk about pot casually and without paranoia, and I believe very strongly that it should be legal. Most people don't know that I smoke unless I tell them... which I usually do because I'm not ashamed of it. It's not a religion, but maybe if more people spoke up that they smoked, the mass populace would realize that people are smoking this stuff and it's less harmful than alcohol.

And just like I can't drink, I realize there are people out there who can't really smoke because it makes them paranoid or whatever. But at least if they wanted to go have a drink, they can do so without being penalized for it.

Bunch of garbage. This whole thing being illegal and alcohol being eeeeverywhere. I've thought so since before I even smoked the stuff.

PS. Not everyone sounds like an idiot when they're high. Some can actually hold decent conversations and keep their shit together.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: ericluxury on May 06, 2008, 10:08:39 AM
Doug Benson is a funny and I like the director Mike Blieden also, but Super High Me wasn't so good. Mainly because it got its structure from Super Size Me, which means uneventful hanging out and then peppy graphics to break things up and provide context. Kind of like a drama-free reality show version of Pop-Up Video. I enjoyed the stand-up and there were times when Doug was funny, but overall its faults were the same as Super Size Me's and stemmed from being a spoof of that movie, that it uses a boring structure to prove an obvious point (to the choir). I don't take anything away from anyone involved in the movie except Morgan Spurlock who provided it's reason for being.


I rarely smoke pot and don't really like listening to the conversations of those that do. But that said, it's insane that it is illegal. I think most reasonable people who aren't in the business of legislating or prostelizing their morality feel that way. No one needs to even prove that they are capable or responsible, government shouldn't be legislating victimless crimes on the basis of some people's morality. The part of the legalize pot argument that I've always disliked is the 'well alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous or annoying or whatever'. The people who press for these laws and anti-drug policies are insane people who are arguing that people who don't agree with them should go to prison. Either that or they are so scared that their 'perfect' children will someday lose their innocence (despite its inevitability) that they are hysterical. They are the problem, not alcohol.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Chris L on May 06, 2008, 10:17:43 AM
I might have an idea for the fan fiction contest now.

SUPER CALL ME
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: erika on May 06, 2008, 10:20:21 AM
Yeah but it's tough to swallow that your habit of choice, if you so choose to have one, is illegal when there's something out there that is way more dangerous, kills more people every year, and breaks up families the way alcohol does. There is no rational reason (http://civilliberty.about.com/od/drugpolicy/tp/Why-is-Marijuana-Illegal.htm) as to why pot is illegal... someone just decided to label it a "controlled substance".

I've had so many drunk people give me such judgemental looks when I say that I like to smoke pot. I mean, daggers in their fucking eyes. All while they're slurping down their fourth glass of expensive wine and right before they hop in their cars to drive home. It sucks and it's in my face constantly. It's hard not to think about it.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: PatrickChew on May 06, 2008, 10:57:48 AM
At least now we know what's in Erika's "supercupcakes."
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: masterofsparks on May 06, 2008, 11:06:58 AM
What really cracks me up is when you meet a pothead whose clothing, tattoos, and other personal accessories are covered in things like potleaves and "420" who will very earnestly tell you the reason they think pot should be legal is because you can make really nifty rope out of it or something. It's like "Really? Nothing about smoking it?"
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: samir on May 06, 2008, 11:16:27 AM
Ericluxury nicely summed up how I also feel about it.
The movie itself didn't really grab me - I didn't see any motivation other than "Hey, let's just get high for a month"
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 11:25:21 AM
I thought it was interesting because in the background you see a snapshot
of the continuing eroding of American civil liberties.

People always go on about how blah, blah, blah America is so free it's the bestest country in the world. UNLESS you want to pursue happiness in some particularly quirky way.

Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Sarah on May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 AM
For the record, "high on anything" included being drunk.

In any case, I don't give a hoot if people smoke pot and think it's far less dangerous than alcohol--even though I don't smoke and do drink.  I just know that when I'm not under the influence of anything, talking to people who are--whether the influence is alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, Oxycontin, or other--is almost always a bore.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: erika on May 06, 2008, 11:36:18 AM
Samir I'm disappointed that that's all you took from it. Like Eric, I assume you have a dislike of those who smoke pot and talk about it too much, and maybe that marred your vision of the movie.

One thing the movie did was show was how some really fucked up things are going on in California. The country is falling apart and the DEA is spending thousands (millions?) of dollars busting legal pot shops in California.

During one bust, someone yelled "GO BUST A METH LAB, YOU COWARDS". I think that says it all. They're busy busting up something that has been deeemed legal by a US state... because it's an easy target.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: ericluxury on May 06, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
Samir I'm disappointed that that's all you took from it. Like Eric, I assume you have a dislike of those who smoke pot and talk about it too much, and maybe that marred your vision of the movie.

Um, no. I explained that pretty clearly. The movie had laughs, but they were sparse and didn't build (not that they should, they were just Doug being funny in life rather than comedic setpieces). Most of it was spent hanging out with people as they talked without having much to say. That's fine, its life. But a bunch of peppy graphics and facts intersperced with dull footage doesn't make for an interesting movie. Especially when they are saying an obvious points to the choir (will a movie about pot that examines the subject in that manner be seen by people who aren't already pro-pot or pro-Doug? No). Its the exact problem that Super Size Me had, except that Super Size Me had more interesting places to go (like slaughterhouses and places where tastes are manufactured [though that could have been just in the Fast Food Nation book, the two blend in together in my mind]).

As a fan of Doug and Mike Blieden, I wanted to like the movie, so no I don't think I just don't like pot-smokers or listening to them talk about pot and thus didn't care about it. Please don't be condescending. I think that an interesting movie about pot and legalization of pot could be made and a dvd of Doug doing stand-up would be great, but mixing the two and putting it into Morgan Spurlock's movie-making formula made Super High Me not that movie.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: erika on May 06, 2008, 12:38:13 PM
I'm sorry I worded that wrong, Eric, I didn't mean to offend or make it seem that you weren't looking at the movie objectively. I realize that's how it came out.

But for Samir to have watched the movie and walked away with nothing more than "oh he smoked pot for a month" disappointed me and made me think that he might dislike pot smokers in general. The movie, even though it might have failed, actually did have a point to make. There was more motivation there... it was hidden in a cloud of pot smoke, but it was there.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: samir on May 06, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
But for Samir to have watched the movie and walked away with nothing more than "oh he smoked pot for a month" disappointed me and made me think that he might dislike pot smokers in general. The movie, even though it might have failed, actually did have a point to make. There was more motivation there... it was hidden in a cloud of pot smoke, but it was there.

That's not quite what I meant. I took a few things from it - as a law student, the whole California vs. Feds thing was pretty interesting. But often it felt more gimmicky, like the "Does pot make you more psychic? Oh, no it has no effects whatsoever" stuff. In that respect, the conclusions seemed a little muted to me. And as Eric said, I just didn't think it was very funny. Although I enjoyed hearing PFT say "Fuck".

I don't have anything against smokers, no. In my (limited) experience, people I've met who're super pro-legalisation aren't as articulate as you are about it. As Brian said earlier, most of the people I've encountered are the annoying overzealous types.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on May 06, 2008, 01:30:30 PM

I've had so many drunk people give me such judgemental looks when I say that I like to smoke pot. I mean, daggers in their fucking eyes. All while they're slurping down their fourth glass of expensive wine and right before they hop in their cars to drive home. It sucks and it's in my face constantly. It's hard not to think about it.  They're after me!  They're all out to get me!  Why do they all hate me so much?  What'd I ever do to them?  I can hear their thoughts and they're thoughts of mellow-harshing hatred!  I feel like a fucking aeroplane is about to crash into this building but at least that'd be a relief from their dagger-eyes!  They think I'm a terrorist I know it.  I'm going to be arrested any second.


Woah!  You sound paranoid. Have you been smoking pot?

























(http://media.monster.com/mm/usen/content/jobprofiles/150x120_narcotics_officer.jpg)



Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: jed on May 06, 2008, 03:36:36 PM
Who's Doug Benson?

That girl is right, it is all about myspace.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Stan on May 06, 2008, 03:44:49 PM
Yeah but it's tough to swallow that your habit of choice, if you so choose to have one, is illegal when there's something out there that is way more dangerous, kills more people every year, and breaks up families the way alcohol does. There is no rational reason ([url]http://civilliberty.about.com/od/drugpolicy/tp/Why-is-Marijuana-Illegal.htm[/url]) as to why pot is illegal... someone just decided to label it a "controlled substance".


 There's a very good reason marijuana was made illegal, Erika: Money

Quote
In the mid 1930s machinery was perfected that would allow the hemp fiber to be more easily and economically seperated from the plant. This meant paper, clothing and other manufactured articles could be produced at prices far more competitive than ever before. This did not sit well with two American giants: William Randolph Hearst and the DuPont Corporation. Hearst not only printed newspapers; he made the paper on which to print them. If hemp became the primary source of paper, not only would much of Heart's paper making machinery become obsolete, but the forest he purchased could only be used as backdrops for Marion Davies movies.


 Further:

Quote
Dupont, meanwhile, had just perfected a process for making paper from wood pulp (which Hearst would use extensively for years to come). The process, which relied heavily upon DuPont chemicals, was not necessary in manufacturing paper from hemp. Additionally, DuPont had recently taken German patents and perfected the miracle fiber nylon, to be manufactured from coal tar and petroleum products. Inexpensive, readily grown hemp fibers would put a damper on two of DuPont's future money makers, paper production and textiles.
 Make of these facts what you will. One thing is certain: Hearst and DuPont made a fortune thanks to the prohibition on hemp.


 The above quotes are from Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in a Free Society Peter Williams, Prelude Press 1993, ISBN: 0-931580-53-6

 There's a lot more on the subject in there, but what the hell am I, your personal typist?
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Bryan on May 06, 2008, 04:01:17 PM
Who's Doug Benson?


He's a pot-centric L.A.-based comedian who you might know from Best Week Ever (if you watched Best Week Ever.) He also seems like a super guy, from what I've heard from him on various podcasts, and read online.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Sarah on May 06, 2008, 05:34:10 PM
There's also the view that the oil companies were behind the criminalization of pot.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 06:17:31 PM
Conspiracy theories aside weed can have varying effects on people
for most it seems rather benign but speaking for myself it was a real horror show
I don't know if I'm stating strongly enough how uncomfortable it was for me. I can imagine a few people over the years as sensitive to it as me being enough to give it a bad reputation.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: todd on May 06, 2008, 06:28:01 PM
Conspiracy theories aside weed can have varying effects on people
for most it seems rather benign but speaking for myself it was a real horror show
I don't know if I'm stating strongly enough how uncomfortable it was for me. I can imagine a few people over the years as sensitive to it as me being enough to give it a bad reputation.

How do you handle other drugs? It sounds like you might be suffering from the disease known only as: "Being a Tremendous Pussy."
Title: Crippler Hits!
Post by: erika on May 06, 2008, 06:34:15 PM
Heh. I know a lot of people who don't like the effects. It gives them panic attacks, etc. even though they're not prone to that sort of thing regularly.

I also think it has to do with the potency.

That said, if I have more than 2 or 3 vodka drinks I could potentially puke for an hour or so and maybe some more the next day. Certain alcohol has a notoriously bad effect on me, while others can drink it down like water.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Stan on May 06, 2008, 06:36:24 PM
 Conspiracy theories, Trembling Eagle? What I posted was conspiracy facts.

 Also, I'm really overusing italics of late.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: erika on May 06, 2008, 06:40:34 PM
Don't DO that! Folks here do not like even mildly excessive font embellishment.

Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 06:44:28 PM
Conspiracy theories aside weed can have varying effects on people
for most it seems rather benign but speaking for myself it was a real horror show
I don't know if I'm stating strongly enough how uncomfortable it was for me. I can imagine a few people over the years as sensitive to it as me being enough to give it a bad reputation.

How do you handle other drugs? It sounds like you might be suffering from the disease known only as: "Being a Tremendous Pussy."
Might be a little of that, but only a little.
I drank pretty heavy in my younger days without too many ill effects. Other than that I had such a bad time with weed I never wanted to journey further into narcotics land.
Title: Re: Crippler Hits!
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
Heh. I know a lot of people who don't like the effects. It gives them panic attacks, etc. even though they're not prone to that sort of thing regularly.

I also think it has to do with the potency.

That said, if I have more than 2 or 3 vodka drinks I could potentially puke for an hour or so and maybe some more the next day. Certain alcohol has a notoriously bad effect on me, while others can drink it down like water.

I don't remember ever puking from alcohol, I got the body chemistry for drinking definitely not for greens.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on May 06, 2008, 06:50:28 PM
Has anyone else had visual and/or auditory hallucinations on pot?  Is that just me?  More importantly, was that just PCP in my pot?
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 06:56:22 PM
Has anyone else had visual and/or auditory hallucinations on pot?  Is that just me?  More importantly, was that just PCP in my pot?

describe it
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: John Junk 2.0 on May 06, 2008, 07:35:34 PM
My auditory hallucination went like this:

I smoked some really strong and scary weed with some people I didn't know in student housing in college.  My roommate was an R.A., and he was a devout Mormon who I suspect was in the closet, but I guess you could call him a metrosexual.  He work CKOne and collected bags from luxury boutiques and hung them in the bathroom as kind of minimal interior design.  So there were Tiffany bags and Ralph Lauren shopping bags hanging in our bathroom.  Did I mention this is at the Maryland Institute College of Art?
Anyway I got stoned with these people who then all went somewhere and left me to my own devices and so I went back to my dorm.  My roommate was in bed, but not asleep.   I think he called his girlfriend, but I started to get hyper-paranoid that he was going to narc me out and get me kicked out of student housing.  I could hear that he was just saying stuff like 'Hey, how's it going?" from the next room, but it's like the letters of the words were switching around like in scrabble and re-combining to read "My roommate is on drugs please come here and arrest him!" --but the scrabble thing is only the way I can conceptualize this experience.  I didn't "see" the words, but I heard them, and then in the process of parsing out the meaning of the words I heard, the memory of the words mutated and I was remembering or receiving the words as different words than what I "actually" heard.  But all this was happening as I was hearing them, and the memory is more like the memory of a syllable, not a whole word.  And I'd lose track of the syllables and have to piece things together all over again, but I'd rebuild the sentence as something way more sinister than reality.

On a different occasion a candle-holder on a wall smiled and winked at me.  This is also while I had intense shivers on a couch and was trying to watch This Film Is On by R.E.M. while super stoned.  BAD IDEA.  But I think that was just crazy weed.  It had red hairs and shit.


Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: TremblingEagle on May 06, 2008, 08:12:07 PM
My auditory hallucination went like this:

That's really interesting to me
Marijuana obviously can have powerful psychotropic effects on some people. It varies enough I'd warn anyone about to experiment with it for the first time to be aware of that.
Title: Re: Doug Benson Joins the Smoking Circle
Post by: Emily on May 06, 2008, 09:01:23 PM
is your avatar like a visual representation of this experience?