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The Best Show on WFMU => Show Discussion => Topic started by: Trembling Eagle on June 22, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
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ugh ugh ugh
yeeech
I don't get it
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villagevoice.com/blogs/scharplingainthood/comments.php
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villagevoice.com/blogs/scharplingainthood/comments.php
Awesome.
Yeah, between the Lil' Wayne haters and the David Archuleta lovers, things get heated over there.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk but
MC Paul Barman was just up at WFMU
talk about that
AMAZING track he did with Doom
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ok, maybe those are apples and bananas
but I just read this Fluxblog kid talking about Wayne as some tortured genius
whats with indie rock people liking these shitty rappers?
is it meant to be ironic
or is it like me liking Hall & Oats, Journey, Genesis etc because I just don't know enuff about rock in the proper context?
Hell man, Stickyfingaz of Onyx fame was/is ten times the rapper and tortured soul this guy is.
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whats with indie rock people liking these shitty rappers?
I agree with this question.
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Lil' Wayne is so bizarre looking! Has he spent his entire life in prison? That would be the only excuse for the prison tats covering his entire body, face included. UGH!
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Some of the mixtapes have lots of great tracks. Tom's dead on with the Pistol Pete comparison though, I don't think he has a great album in him.
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Lil' Wayne is so bizarre looking! Has he spent his entire life in prison? That would be the only excuse for the prison tats covering his entire body, face included. UGH!
He's a child star he must have been a pre teen or in his early teens when he was with Cash Money
I don't see where he had time to be in prison or run around doing all the criminal stuff he talks about but that's nothing new in rap Tupac was Baltimore theater school geek before morphing into a California gang banger, Ice Cube grew up in the suburbs. The only thing is some of these guys play the role for so long they start to think they really are the character in their rhymes.
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Lil' Wayne is so bizarre looking! Has he spent his entire life in prison? That would be the only excuse for the prison tats covering his entire body, face included. UGH!
He's a child star he must have been a pre teen or in his early teens when he was with Cash Money
I don't see where he had time to be in prison or run around doing all the criminal stuff he talks about but that's nothing new in rap Tupac was Baltimore theater school geek before morphing into a California gang banger, Ice Cube grew up in the suburbs. The only thing is some of these guys play the role for so long they start to think they really are the character in their rhymes.
I love how in one of Sean Kingston's little tunes he claims to have been incarcerated some number of years ago, which would have to mean that he was sent to prison at age nine. I can't remember all the details but that's how the math works out.
Hey, Three 6 Mafia is coming to Madison Square Garden this week! I can't wait. Who all is going?
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Lil' Wayne is so bizarre looking! Has he spent his entire life in prison? That would be the only excuse for the prison tats covering his entire body, face included. UGH!
He's a child star he must have been a pre teen or in his early teens when he was with Cash Money
I don't see where he had time to be in prison or run around doing all the criminal stuff he talks about but that's nothing new in rap Tupac was Baltimore theater school geek before morphing into a California gang banger, Ice Cube grew up in the suburbs. The only thing is some of these guys play the role for so long they start to think they really are the character in their rhymes.
I love how in one of Sean Kingston's little tunes he claims to have been incarcerated some number of years ago, which would have to mean that he was sent to prison at age nine. I can't remember all the details but that's how the math works out.
Hey, Three 6 Mafia is coming to Madison Square Garden this week! I can't wait. Who all is going?
Yeah, the line's from the song "Beautiful Girls"
It was back in '99
Watchin' movies all the time
Oh when I went away
For doin' my first crime
I knew Kingston was young so I checked out his Wikipedia. In 1999, he was nine years old!
I also agree with Tom entirely about Lil' Wayne. I try getting excited listening to him but the guy can't write good hooks/choruses and has incredibly poor production on his songs. Terrible beats. I also think the fact that he bothers making these T-Pain style singles with the horrendous Auto-Tune warbly voice effects diminishes his claim to be the best rapper of all time. Good rappers don't need to do that crap.
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This guy don't 1/10 of the talent of a Wyclef
if we want to talk about crafting pop rap songs etc
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqBnZ1rtx4k[/youtube]
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If you guys listened to DA DROUGHT 3 you probably wouldn't be so puzzled.
It's possible to enjoy things that are off your idea of the reservation without being "ironic".
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhxsEDyOtzQ[/youtube]
speaking of pop rap and wyclef this is new to me
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpUp3ig6U1A[/youtube]
lo this guy is infamous for bedding his ingenus
;)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XwQeXjs90o[/youtube]
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If you guys listened to DA DROUGHT 3 you probably wouldn't be so puzzled.
It's possible to enjoy things that are off your idea of the reservation without being "ironic".
pssht
people don't tolerate horseshit in rock
yet when it comes to rap they are a lot more forgiving
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Ugh, now I'm just getting creep vibes.
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If you guys listened to DA DROUGHT 3 you probably wouldn't be so puzzled.
It's possible to enjoy things that are off your idea of the reservation without being "ironic".
pssht
people don't tolerate horseshit in rock
yet when it comes to rap they are a lot more forgiving
Look, I'm not the one posting half a dozen Wyclef youtubes. You might want to look in the mirror here.
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Wyclef hasn't done much good since the Fugees.
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call me when Wayne makes something half as good Fast Car the song Wyclef did with Paul Simon earlier this year
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Ok, ok. I get it, I was a little slow.
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Ok, ok. I get it, I was a little slow.
Have you heard Fast Car?
point me to anything Wayne has done that you think matches or exceeds that
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See, I can't take the challenge of finding a song superior to a Wyclef/Paul Simon collaboration seriously.
No offense.
My epiphany was that I have to assume you're a put-on.
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See, I can't take the challenge of finding a song superior to a Wyclef/Paul Simon collaboration seriously.
No offense.
My epiphany was that I have to assume you're a put-on.
So instead of listening to the song ....the names weren't hip enuff for you
so that makes the point moot.
I get it thats the definition of hipster. Who can like the edgier crap
I wish people weren't doing that with rap, its a a little too late for wishing now I know.
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...Okay?
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If you guys listened to DA DROUGHT 3 you probably wouldn't be so puzzled.
It's possible to enjoy things that are off your idea of the reservation without being "ironic".
pssht
people don't tolerate horseshit in rock
yet when it comes to rap they are a lot more forgiving
(http://www.thisisfakediy.co.uk/upload/brighteyes300x300.jpg)
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/brighteyes/imwideawakeitsmorning?q=bright%20eyes (http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/brighteyes/imwideawakeitsmorning?q=bright%20eyes)
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He's a child star he must have been a pre teen or in his early teens when he was with Cash Money
I don't see where he had time to be in prison or run around doing all the criminal stuff he talks about but that's nothing new in rap Tupac was Baltimore theater school geek before morphing into a California gang banger, Ice Cube grew up in the suburbs. The only thing is some of these guys play the role for so long they start to think they really are the character in their rhymes.
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On a related note, Bob Dylan isn't really an Okie.
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On a related note, Bob Dylan isn't really an Okie.
But this guy really is from outer space:
[youtube]KsvtJ2npPiA[/youtube]
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On a related note, Bob Dylan isn't really an Okie.
But this guy really is from outer space:
[youtube]KsvtJ2npPiA[/youtube]
I couldn't tell what was going on in that preview pane and I was hoping it'd be footage of Sun Ra. :(
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Wyclef hasn't done much good since the Fugees.
Fixed.
Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
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Wyclef hasn't done much good since the Fugees.
Fixed.
Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
If you're one of the fans of Wayne then go look at the song he did with Clef and compare that to the versions Clef reworked live
and learn something.
If you guys want to support people based on fashionability and hipness at least admit it like Ian did.
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I guess I don't hate to judge THAT much
lol
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Wyclef hasn't done much good since the Fugees.
Fixed.
Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
If you're one of the fans of Wayne then go look at the song he did with Clef and compare that to the versions Clef reworked live
and learn something.
If you guys want to support people based on fashionability and hipness at least admit it like Ian did.
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I guess I don't hate to judge THAT much
lol
What is your basis for claiming that Wyclef is a great rapper? I can't really say I've heard enough from him to declare him one of the worst, but I certainly have never been all that impressed with him. Also, just from various sources over the years, it seems that the general consensus on him is that he's a terrible rapper; I really can't think of anyone critically defeding him this decade.
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Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
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Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
Emma, that statement is just outrageous. BLACK OR WHITE.
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Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
Quit mollycoddling, Canada!!
Get off your fence! My way or the highway, etc.
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I stand corrected and ashamed.
And you're all idiots.
Did I do that right? I'm still new at this.
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I stand corrected and ashamed.
And you're all idiots.
Did I do that right? I'm still new at this.
Better. B+
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I stand corrected and ashamed.
And you're all idiots.
Did I do that right? I'm still new at this.
Better. B+
Thanks, jerk.
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I stand corrected and ashamed.
And you're all idiots.
Did I do that right? I'm still new at this.
Better. B+
Thanks, jerk.
what are you, lightening fingers?
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I've got a fast computer and very little to do! Don't judge.
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The third page of this thread has gone off the rails.
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The third page of this thread has gone off the rails.
Yes, a stark contrast between this dreadful page and the other two pages of utter brilliance.
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Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
Quit mollycoddling, Canada!!
Get off your fence! My way or the highway you-die way, etc.
Fixed, jidierk!
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This is the guy who also said all of hip-hop fell off in '97 fyi.
This thread further proves my theorem that he suffers from some manner of brain malady, it's the only explanation.
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Wyclef hasn't done much good since the Fugees.
Fixed.
Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
If you're one of the fans of Wayne then go look at the song he did with Clef and compare that to the versions Clef reworked live
and learn something.
If you guys want to support people based on fashionability and hipness at least admit it like Ian did.
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I guess I don't hate to judge THAT much
lol
What is your basis for claiming that Wyclef is a great rapper? I can't really say I've heard enough from him to declare him one of the worst, but I certainly have never been all that impressed with him. Also, just from various sources over the years, it seems that the general consensus on him is that he's a terrible rapper; I really can't think of anyone critically defeding him this decade.
I never said he was great, personally I think he's a very decent technical rapper but shines especially with his talent in composing songs and beats and is very proficient on the the guitar and keyboards which leads to him doing a live show which is more than 10 dudes screaming with a DAT tape backing.
If we're talking artistry and musicianship and craftsmanship when it applies to rap or pop rap music
I think that puts him heads and shoulders above lil Wayne.
I'm not even the worlds biggest Wyclef fan I just felt it was fairer comparison for me to make to the Wayne fans since they are similar vein of the pop rap world, I can see the argument someone might make that a Doom or Paul Barman are are almost in a different subgenre AND THEY DID SONG together so its really simple for us to compare and contrast
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PxBGHjABnU
(won't let me post it)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhxsEDyOtzQ[/youtube]
Now of course people have different taste but this one is simply come defend your guy
here are the two people I'm talking about on the SAME SONG
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Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
I'm accounting for taste differences
but is there Any room in music to be critical on a technical level?
I'm asking the Wayne fans to defend him as an artist for something other than fashion
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The third page of this thread has gone off the rails.
Yes, a stark contrast between this dreadful page and the other two pages of utter brilliance.
Thanks for the banal paraphrase, jerkface!
. . .
I like this
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but is there Any room in music to be critical on a technical level?
NO.
I can't stop!
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Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
I'm accounting for taste differences
but is there Any room in music to be critical on a technical level?
I'm asking the Wayne fans to defend him as an artist for something other than fashion
I listen to a fair amount of rap (I probably fall somewhere between casual listener and expert), but I'm really terrible when it comes to a more technical discussion of music. Basically for me, his appeal lies in the fact that he is one of the few rappers that consistently makes me laugh, while also coming up with lots of really great lines, even if sometimes they are total weirdo nonsense. There is something about his delivery that I really enjoy. This probably isn't the greatest defense for him, but I enjoy him and I would still like him regardless of his current hype.
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I am not a Lil' Wayne fan, as I don't believe I have ever heard anything he has ever done (that's probably not accurate, but I don't know of anything...). I used to listen to rap a lot in the '90's, so all my favorites are, by now, "Old School": Slick Rick, De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Wu Tang Clan. I have no doubt you listen to more rap music than me, but your assertion that Wyclef is good is dead wrong. I know, I know, I have a differing opinion, but in this case my opinion is objective and can be proven scientifically. That video you just posted proves that Wyclef is a passable guitarist and is great at singing in a fake Jamaican accent. This has always been his m.o. and has nothing to do with rap. The only Wyclef-affiliated thing I can stomach is Someone Please Call 911 because it is patently ridiculous. Wyclef is a self-important clown. He should change his name to Myclef Meyers. He should be a producer of liberal arts college coffee shop bands. His music isn't even really rap. M.C. Steinberg is a better rapper than Wyclef.
Also: Paul Barman? Really??
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Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
I'm accounting for taste differences
but is there Any room in music to be critical on a technical level?
I'm asking the Wayne fans to defend him as an artist for something other than fashion
I listen to a fair amount of rap (I probably fall somewhere between casual listener and expert), but I'm really terrible when it comes to a more technical discussion of music. Basically for me, his appeal lies in the fact that he is one of the few rappers that consistently makes me laugh, while also coming up with lots of really great lines, even if sometimes they are total weirdo nonsense. There is something about his delivery that I really enjoy. This probably isn't the greatest defense for him, but I enjoy him and I would still like him regardless of his current hype.
yeah, lets talk specifically about the track I posted Wayne had a really great CRAZY line about a girl wearing a dress to the tee...like the letter. Wow how edgy and weird. There is whole 10 years of punchline rappers you must have missed
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Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
thats laughable
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a rap fan here, and I hate to assume and judge
but your comment leads me to believe you don't know much about rap.
Or maybe you two just have different...tastes?
I don't mean to be ridiculous or anything.
I'm accounting for taste differences
but is there Any room in music to be critical on a technical level?
I'm asking the Wayne fans to defend him as an artist for something other than fashion
I listen to a fair amount of rap (I probably fall somewhere between casual listener and expert), but I'm really terrible when it comes to a more technical discussion of music. Basically for me, his appeal lies in the fact that he is one of the few rappers that consistently makes me laugh, while also coming up with lots of really great lines, even if sometimes they are total weirdo nonsense. There is something about his delivery that I really enjoy. This probably isn't the greatest defense for him, but I enjoy him and I would still like him regardless of his current hype.
yeah, lets talk specifically about the track I posted Wayne had a really great CRAZY line about a girl wearing a dress to the tee...like the letter. Wow how edgy and weird. There is whole 10 years of punchline rappers you must have missed
You are picking out one line from one specific song from a guy who has put out probably a couple hundred over the last few years. I didn't claim that everything he says is brilliant, in fact I think he has plenty of outright terrible songs. That being said, I like him and if you don't, then so be it.
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He should be a producer of liberal arts college coffee shop bands.
This is why I want to be friends with John Junk!
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I am not a Lil' Wayne fan, as I don't believe I have ever heard anything he has ever done (that's probably not accurate, but I don't know of anything...). I used to listen to rap a lot in the '90's, so all my favorites are, by now, "Old School": Slick Rick, De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Wu Tang Clan. I have no doubt you listen to more rap music than me, but your assertion that Wyclef is good is dead wrong. I know, I know, I have a differing opinion, but in this case my opinion is objective and can be proven scientifically. That video you just posted proves that Wyclef is a passable guitarist and is great at singing in a fake Jamaican accent. This has always been his m.o. and has nothing to do with rap. The only Wyclef-affiliated thing I can stomach is Someone Please Call 911 because it is patently ridiculous. Wyclef is a self-important clown. He should change his name to Myclef Meyers. He should be a producer of liberal arts college coffee shop bands. His music isn't even really rap. M.C. Steinberg is a better rapper than Wyclef.
Also: Paul Barman? Really??
Because he sang his verse in the acoustic version? Although I don't follow much of the newer rap and pop to come out it seemd de riguer for rappers to sing their hooks nowadays and most of them a lot less ably than him.
His style is ground in the purest rap and I say that as a person who listened to Blunted on Reality (ever hear of it?) on a tape walk man back and forth to school everyday for a year when I was in high school. I find it more than a bit offensive that in your eyes rap needs to be limited and defined to some phony baloney image thats part of the reason it sucks so hard now. Is K-OS or Mos Def doing rap according to you since they too flesh out their songs musically and sing hooks and sometimes verses?
MC Paul Barman is a gifted lyricist, thinker and a honest and funny dude that loves the art form
You'd do well to listen to his WFMU interview.
I admit I had to draw back a comparison because it would be unfair as hell to compare the talent of a MCPB or Doom with the likes of Wayne its damn near a different form of music by now.
the Wyclef comparison to me is more apt since they both operate in the pop sphere
according to this lolipop song I found they both sing.....so lets look at the merits of two pop rap songs compared by these guys
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Does Lil Wayne sing in a fake accent? I hope so.
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He should be a producer of liberal arts college coffee shop bands.
This is why I want to be friends with John Junk!
yeah but instead he crafts (as it makes the beat, plays the instruments on and writes the words for) hit songs for Shakira, Santana, Mary J Blige and Akon
not that I'm a huge fan of pop music or using sales to equate talent
but its obvious the guy can CRAFT songs and make hit records for himself and others across a wide variety of genres.
To the guy with the comment about the 911 song look at the damn youtube video where he plays that live and reworks it with Spanish singer Lurcecia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPiz3qLwQdQ
he JUST a passable player? u guys are showing your true hipster douchebag colours
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Dear Professor Eagle,
I apologize for questioning your hip-hop credentials on the first day of class. I had no idea that you listened to "Blunted on Reality" on a tape-playing walkman machine while riding the bus to high school.
Sadly, I will have to drop out of your class. I simply don't have time in my schedule to compare the relative pop vocalization merits of Lil' Wayne and Wyclef at this time. To be honest, I only signed up for this course for the sole purpose of making fun of Wyclef, but after our last class I realize that a truly effective and legitimate refutation of your claims would require research, reasoning, and time; I am more than a little embarrassed to say that I simply don't have it in me. Hopefully next semester I will have less required credits and I can commit more fully arguing these points with you, and who knows? Perhaps you will help me shake off the phony baloney hip-hop hang-ups I've been harboring since childhood in spite of myself.
Sincerely,
John Junk 2.0
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Does Lil Wayne sing in a fake accent? I hope so.
so its wrong to have a musically influence
you better get to the lead singer of Green Day and tell him to knock off the faux British thing
they'll never get anywhere doing that. Its obviously too late to tell Mick Jagger and Elvis to stop trying to sing like a southern blues guys.
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Weezy is the GBV of rap: relentlessly prolific, endearingly eccentric, and kind of shitty whenever he makes a shameless crossover attempt. He is horribly overrated, but only because he's been every P-Fork nerd's token rapper for so long. (They're required to like one rap record per year each, and it can't always be Fishscale.)
It's not "horseshit" so much as it's good-time party music. Which would still be tolerated in rock, if anyone still released it.
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u guys are showing your true hipster douchebag colours
I'm actually surprised that this is the first time I've seen the hipster douchebag card played during my time on the board.
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Weezy is the GBV of rap
jesus christo
the wobble wobble guy is NOT the GBV of rap
I know rap sux but its not that bad. Wayne is probably the Tommy Lee of rap right now
Doom, Vast, Aesop or Warcloud is a better analogy of ur looking for weird prolific outsiders
with a unique vision
not the guy that raps about drinking his codeine water and rhymes school with school
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Weezy is the GBV of rap: relentlessly prolific, endearingly eccentric, and kind of shitty whenever he makes a shameless crossover attempt. He is horribly overrated, but only because he's been every P-Fork nerd's token rapper for so long. (They're required to like one rap record per year each, and it can't always be Fishscale.)
do you even read Pitchfork
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It all makes sense now.
Trembling Eagle = Al Sharpton
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It all makes sense now.
Trembling Eagle = Al Sharpton
I wonder what that means
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I didn't admit anything but my confusion when it comes to you, Eagle.
Basically, at this point, I think you're Wurster.
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It's not "horseshit" so much as it's good-time party music. Which would still be tolerated in rock, if anyone still released it.
All I could think of was The Hold Steady. Maybe not good time party music, but fun as hell.
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He should change his name to Myclef Meyers.
I laughed heartily at this. Well done, JJ!
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He should change his name to Myclef Meyers.
I laughed heartily at this. Well done, JJ!
I like it better when you two fight.
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I don't think Lil' Wayne is too much of a pop crossover rapper and most people would agree that his pop style stuff (like Lollipop) blows.
And when it comes down to this recording
I must be Lebron James if he's Jordan
No, I want rings for my performance
I'm more Kobe Bryant of an artist
Same coach, same game, been starting
...Same triangle offense
I come through the lane like dargent
Refree niggas is lame they call charging
I have no brain I'm retarded
We are not the same I'm a Martian
You can be my Jane I'm your Tarzan
I'm from the jungle where the snakes is all poison
I am magnificent like Marcus
You might wanna fall back like August
Or late September whatever you call it
I hit niggas in the head like Vonage
I am talking to no particular audience
But understand I'm the guardian
And understand there won't be no guarding him
You will just get played like an accordion
I don't give a damn if she's bossy
I keep pussy running like a faucet
She better catch like she Steve Largent
Because I'm "What's up" like "Martin"
There's a verse from "Dough is What I Got" on one of Da Drought mixtapes. I think at times, he has some very funny and witty rhymes but I'd prefer quality over quantity. He may put out 200 verses a year but he still doesn't know how to make really memorable songs.
To the GBV reference, I think Wayne is losing his indie cred now that he seems to be leaving mixtapes behind and sold a million albums in a week. I'd almost liken his exhaustive catalog to somebody like Ryan Adams but nobody seems to like Adams anymore.
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I'd almost liken his exhaustive catalog to somebody like Ryan Adams but nobody seems to like Adams anymore.
That's probably because he sucks.
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I don't think Lil' Wayne is too much of a pop crossover rapper and most people would agree that his pop style stuff (like Lollipop) blows.
And when it comes down to this recording
I must be Lebron James if he's Jordan
No, I want rings for my performance
I'm more Kobe Bryant of an artist
Same coach, same game, been starting
...Same triangle offense
I come through the lane like dargent
Refree niggas is lame they call charging
I have no brain I'm retarded
We are not the same I'm a Martian
You can be my Jane I'm your Tarzan
I'm from the jungle where the snakes is all poison
I am magnificent like Marcus
You might wanna fall back like August
Or late September whatever you call it
I hit niggas in the head like Vonage
I am talking to no particular audience
But understand I'm the guardian
And understand there won't be no guarding him
You will just get played like an accordion
I don't give a damn if she's bossy
I keep pussy running like a faucet
She better catch like she Steve Largent
Because I'm "What's up" like "Martin"
There's a verse from "Dough is What I Got" on one of Da Drought mixtapes. I think at times, he has some very funny and witty rhymes but I'd prefer quality over quantity. He may put out 200 verses a year but he still doesn't know how to make really memorable songs.
To the GBV reference, I think Wayne is losing his indie cred now that he seems to be leaving mixtapes behind and sold a million albums in a week. I'd almost liken his exhaustive catalog to somebody like Ryan Adams but nobody seems to like Adams anymore.
If ur impressed by that witticism I encourage you to look up a now passed rapper Big L
or even a guy name Akinyele if you think sports metaphors are clever boy will you like him.
That GBV comparison is so wrong and nutty I'm convinced now you guys don't anything about rap. Wayne has never been an independent artist he's always been on one major labels rap imprint or another. Those mixtapes have just been promotional devices to help sell the label albums. Equating that to indie rock outings is....such a bizarre take on the whole thing its rather shocking.
There actually is a real independent and small label hiphop scene
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My favorite rappers are the guys on Xbox Live doing it A cappella style.
Halo + white rapper kid from Ohio = win.
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I'd almost liken his exhaustive catalog to somebody like Ryan Adams but nobody seems to like Adams anymore.
That's probably because he sucks.
Yes, that too. I was never a fan but he did have some mild popularity back in 2001 or so.
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The Pitchfork indier-than-thou attitude is a strange pivot from Wyclef Jean superfan.
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I don't think Lil' Wayne is too much of a pop crossover rapper and most people would agree that his pop style stuff (like Lollipop) blows.
And when it comes down to this recording
I must be Lebron James if he's Jordan
No, I want rings for my performance
I'm more Kobe Bryant of an artist
Same coach, same game, been starting
...Same triangle offense
I come through the lane like dargent
Refree niggas is lame they call charging
I have no brain I'm retarded
We are not the same I'm a Martian
You can be my Jane I'm your Tarzan
I'm from the jungle where the snakes is all poison
I am magnificent like Marcus
You might wanna fall back like August
Or late September whatever you call it
I hit niggas in the head like Vonage
I am talking to no particular audience
But understand I'm the guardian
And understand there won't be no guarding him
You will just get played like an accordion
I don't give a damn if she's bossy
I keep pussy running like a faucet
She better catch like she Steve Largent
Because I'm "What's up" like "Martin"
There's a verse from "Dough is What I Got" on one of Da Drought mixtapes. I think at times, he has some very funny and witty rhymes but I'd prefer quality over quantity. He may put out 200 verses a year but he still doesn't know how to make really memorable songs.
To the GBV reference, I think Wayne is losing his indie cred now that he seems to be leaving mixtapes behind and sold a million albums in a week. I'd almost liken his exhaustive catalog to somebody like Ryan Adams but nobody seems to like Adams anymore.
If ur impressed by that witticism I encourage you to look up a now passed rapper Big L
or even a guy name Akinyele if you think sports metaphors are clever boy will you like him.
That GBV comparison is so wrong and nutty I'm convinced now you guys don't anything about rap. Wayne has never been an independent artist he's always been on one major labels rap imprint or another. Those mixtapes have just been promotional devices to help sell the label albums. Equating that to indie rock outings is....such a bizarre take on the whole thing its rather shocking.
There actually is a real independent and small label hiphop scene
I know Wayne has never been an indie act but he has been admired by indie blogs and such for a few years now because of the mixtapes.
You don't need to be condescending about it. I'm not even a Wayne fan (and nobody who has posted yet seems to be defending him either). He's popular for some reason and that's that.
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The Pitchfork indier-than-thou attitude is a strange pivot from Wyclef Jean superfan.
I'm no Wyclef superfan, I've said that several times now
hes a decent musician and rapper something I can easily contrast with Wayne since they did a song together
a song I wouldn't have known about but for looking on youtube trying to see why this dude is so popular.
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SO, can we just call it a day with this thread?
Greeeaat.
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SO, can we just call it a day with this thread?
Greeeaat.
I'm done
these discussions always leave me disgusted with humanity.
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I'm done
these discussions always leave me disgusted with humanity.
Really? For me it's usually other stuff.
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I'm done
these discussions always leave me disgusted with humanity.
Really? For me it's usually other stuff.
It just drives home how base and petty people can be
including me I'm no exception at all
I fell like Brad Pitts character in 12 monkeys then.
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Are we talking about the same conversation? Because this was about rappers, not genocide or human trafficking.
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The Pitchfork indier-than-thou attitude is a strange pivot from Wyclef Jean superfan.
I'm no Wyclef superfan, I've said that several times now
hes a decent musician and rapper something I can easily contrast with Wayne since they did a song together
a song I wouldn't have known about but for looking on youtube trying to see why this dude is so popular.
Picking Wyclef to compare him to, just because they did a song together, was probably the problem here since Wayne's appeared on songs by pretty much anyone working today.
That said, I agree, this whole thing can just go on and die.
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Dee Dee King is the best rapper.
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(http://pixhost.eu/avaxhome/avaxhome/2007-05-19/Standing_in_the_Spotlight.jpg)
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do you even read Pitchfork
I already fucked up STEVEN Wright's name today. Give me a break. I have to make my own lunch money now.
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Technical prowess has no place in great music.
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I'd almost liken his exhaustive catalog to somebody like Ryan Adams but nobody seems to like Adams anymore.
That's probably because he sucks.
Yes, that too. I was never a fan but he did have some mild popularity back in 2001 or so.
Ryan Adams might have to thank Osama Bin Laden for that bit of popularity.
I enjoy some of his music... but he's a first class asshole who doesn't know how to control himself.
for example ryan adams' attempt at rapping.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM7ir3QwShA[/youtube]
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Dee Dee King is the best rapper.
I bet you didn't know he was half-German!
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C'mon, guys. We all know Wyclef Jean sucks.
Prince Vince is obviously the best rapper ever. Right, Martin?
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C'mon, guys. We all know Wyclef Jean sucks.
Prince Vince is obviously the best rapper ever. Right, Martin?
Money-makin' Manhattan.
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I nominate Ms. Peachez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GautSlgAsN0
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C'mon, guys. We all know Wyclef Jean sucks.
Prince Vince is obviously the best rapper ever. Right, Martin?
A master wordsmith and scholar,Prince Vince is but one of the many incarnations of the master director and artist, . Virulently unsurpassed as a battle Mc aswell as party jammer, Vince is one "royalty" you can't keep off the dance floor.
Greetings,
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Not knowing anything about Lil' Wayne I was wondering if Tom was serious or not.
Lil' Wayne lost me when I heard that his name was Lil' Wayne. I figured I didn't need to investigate any further.
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I can't believe I missed this argument and now its over. Around page 3 or 4, I had some great points about Wyclef. Junk did it better than me though.
But I will say this, Paul Barman is in the top 5 worst rappers of all time. Any defense of someone should never proclaim that they have a love for the music. So do millions and millions of other people. A palatable voice and comfort with rhythm are two requirements for rappers. If you have those two things and hate hip-hop more than anything in the world, you will be better than someone who has a love of the art.
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I can't believe I missed this argument and now its over. Around page 3 or 4, I had some great points about Wyclef. Junk did it better than me though.
But I will say this, Paul Barman is in the top 5 worst rappers of all time. Any defense of someone should never proclaim that they have a love for the music. So do millions and millions of other people. A palatable voice and comfort with rhythm are two requirements for rappers. If you have those two things and hate hip-hop more than anything in the world, you will be better than someone who has a love of the art.
lol
I bet you can't even name ten rappers without looking them up
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lol
I bet you can't even name ten rappers without looking them up
You're kind of a creep, Trembling Eagle.
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Hey Jouster, I'm the guy that pasted his old cd collection on that "other board" last night.
Also, I really want Trembling Eagle to call the show tonight.
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TE, who are some of your favorite rappers, current and all-time? This is strictly out of curiosity.
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lol
I bet you can't even name ten rappers without looking them up
You're kind of a creep, Trembling Eagle.
yeah, I know. I see it in myself
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TE, who are some of your favorite rappers, current and all-time? This is strictly out of curiosity.
It changes all the time
off the top of my head
my number one far and away
is Warcloud/RobotTank
Buckshot
Stickyfingaz
Pos from De La
aceyalone
mos def
k-os
Doom
Aesop
El-P
Hell Razah
oh yeah if I'm a super fan of anybody its Warcloud/Tank
http://www.myspace.com/franktherobottank
thats what he sounds like
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aceyalone
mos def
Doom
Aesop
So, basically rap for indie college students.
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aceyalone
mos def
Doom
Aesop
So, basically rap for indie college students.
oh lawd
lets let this post die already
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TE, who are some of your favorite rappers, current and all-time? This is strictly out of curiosity.
It changes all the time
off the top of my head
my number one far and away
is Warcloud/RobotTank
Buckshot
Stickyfingaz
Pos from De La
aceyalone
mos def
k-os
Doom
Aesop
El-P
Hell Razah
Why are you insinuating that all of us (and Tom) are some weird indie rock hipster stereotypes when you are presenting the very definition of a backpacker hiphop snob?
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TE, who are some of your favorite rappers, current and all-time? This is strictly out of curiosity.
It changes all the time
off the top of my head
my number one far and away
is Warcloud/RobotTank
Buckshot
Stickyfingaz
Pos from De La
aceyalone
mos def
k-os
Doom
Aesop
El-P
Hell Razah
Why are you insinuating that all of us (and Tom) are some weird indie rock hipster stereotypes when you are presenting the very definition of a backpacker hiphop snob?
maybe I am
that term is a little after my time I think
When I was younger the guys wearing the backpacks were the thugs not the nerds.
In the end its all kind of pointless
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Wyclef hasn't done much good since the Fugees.
Fixed.
Wyclef is one of the worst rappers ever. You, Trembling Eagle, have not a leg to stand on.
I am still trying to figure out how you tell
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oh lawd
lets let this post die already
Agreed. My intention in asking that questions was purely out of curiosity, not to give this thread a second wind. Obviously I should've known that this would happen, so sorry about that.
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I think that Frank the Robot Tank used to post here a few months ago (I can't remember under which nickname) about hiphop every now and again. Or, it might have just been someone who linked to FTRT's myspace page.
either way: I need to stop e-stalking my fellow FOT. what can I say, though: y'all are a fascinating bunch.
the following is the only thing I can contribute to a hip-hop conversation
I tells ya, it's kinda scary how fitting Eric B. & Rakim's 'Casualties of War' is with the current Iraq conflict, given that it was written in response(?) to Desert Storm.
Casualties of War!
Casualties of war; as I approach the barricade
Where's the enemy? Who do I invade?
Bullets of Teflon, bulletproof vest rip
Tear ya outta ya frame with a bag full of clips
Cause I got a family that waits for my return
To get back home is my main concern
I'ma get back to New York in one piece
but I'm bent in the sand that is hot as the city streets
Sky lights up like fireworks blind me
Bullets, whistlin over my head remind me...
President Bush said attack
Flashback to Nam, I might not make it back
Missile hits the area, screams wake me up
from a war of dreams, heat up the M-16
Basic training, trained for torture
Take no prisoners, and I just caught ya
Addicted to murder, send more bodybags
They can't identify em, leave the nametags
I get a rush when I see blood, dead bodies on the floor
CASUALTIES OF WAR! (4X)
Day divides the night and night divides the day
It's all hard work and no play
More than combat, it's far beyond that
Cause I got a kill or be killed kind of attack
Area's mapped out, there'll be no, Stratego
Me and my platoon make a boom wherever we go
But what are we here for? Who's on the other side of the wall?
Somebody give the President a call
But I hear warfare scream through the air
Back to the battlegrounds, it's war they declare
A Desert Storm: let's see who reigns supreme
Something like Monopoly: a government scheme
Go to the Army, be all you can be
Another dead soldier? Hell no, not me
So I start letting off ammunition in every direction
Allah is my only protection
But wait a minute, Saddam Hussein prays the same
and this is Asia, from where I came
I'm on the wrong side, so change the target
Shooting at the general; and where's the sergeant?
Blame it on John Hardy Hawkins for bringing me to America
Now it's mass hysteria
I get a rush when I see blood, dead bodies on the floor
CASUALTIES OF WAR! (4X)
The war is over, for now at least
Just because they lost it don't mean it's peace
It's a long way home, it's a lot to think about
Whole generation, left in doubt
Innocent families killed in the midst
It'll be more dead people after this
So I'm glad to be alive and walkin
Half of my platoon came home in coffins
Except the general, buried in the Storm
in bits and pieces no need to look for em
I played it slick and got away with it
Rigged it up so they would think they did it
Now I'm home on reserves and you can bet
when THEY call, I'm going AWOL
Cause it ain't no way I'm going back to war
when I don't know who or what I'm fighting for
So I wait for terrorists to attack
Every time a truck backfires I fire back
I look for shelter when a plane is over me
Remember Pearl Harbor? New York could be over, G
Kamikaze, strapped with bombs
No peace in the East, they want revenge for Saddam
Did I hear gunshots, or thunder?
No time to wonder, somebody's going under
Put on my fatigues and my camoflouge
Take control, cause I'm in charge
When I snapped out of it, it was blood, dead bodies on the floor
CASUALTIES OF WAR! (4X)
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Aesop
Seriously? Your inclusion of Aesop in your favorite rappers list discredits every single one of your posts in this thread. Aesop is terrible.
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Aesop
Seriously? Your inclusion of Aesop in your favorite rappers list discredits every single one of your posts in this thread. Aesop is terrible.
"EIGHTY EIGHT MILES PER HOUR DELOREAN BE GOOOOONE!"
Holy moly I really dislike Aesop Rock.
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I like Aesop Rock.
I also like Lil' Wayne.
Now everyone's alienated by my taste in rap! Yay!
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I think that Frank the Robot Tank used to post here a few months ago (I can't remember under which nickname) about hiphop every now and again. Or, it might have just been someone who linked to FTRT's myspace page.
no that was me
I'm a super fan
all my usernames come from his lyrics
him and MST3K are probably the two things I'm a little too into
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Shaq's Kobe Rap > 75% of Tha Carter III
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Tom is absolutely right, right now on the air, telling you how it is.
You have terrible taste in hip hop, trembling eagle.
CB
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wyclef jean, aesop rock, etc
typical "indie rap" backpacker nerd garbage
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wyclef jean, aesop rock, etc
typical "indie rap" backpacker nerd garbage
I dunno, I'm kinda backpackery and I haven't given a shit about Wyclef since The Carnival
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right well wyclef is particularly irrelevant and corny
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I can't believe I missed the call. I don't think I can wait until the podcast is posted.
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right well wyclef is particularly irrelevant and corny
Yet there he is outshining the golden boy of the moment on that song
and showing wats true artistry and musicianship is the accoustic reworking and performance.
in before the b&
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>>>>and showing wats true artistry and musicianship is the accoustic reworking and performance.
what??
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If these Trembling Eagle replies were any more insane, I'd think Lil Wayne wrote them.
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Trembling Eagle, I felt badly for you when I outed you as Frank the Robot Tank elsewhere. Given the fact that you are a fan of his, there is nothing that I can do to help.
So I give you this:
[youtube]SxhpfPU0t2Q[/youtube]
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I like Aesop.
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Trembling Eagle, I felt badly for you when I outed you as Frank the Robot Tank elsewhere. Given the fact that you are a fan of his, there is nothing that I can do to help.
So I give you this:
I raise u ATR
[youtube]hkb3r9filcM[/youtube]
I win
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From Big & Rich's iTunes celebrity playlist re: their collaboration with Wyclef: "Wyclef Jean says Charlie Daniels is the reason he became a rapper and now he's rapping on our album. I think that's a cool f**kin' story."
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And I also like Aesop. The last album is really great, actually.
Will I also be alienated for liking Edan and El-P?! DID FOT TURN INTO UGHH, OH GOD WHAT IS HAPPENING!?
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umm, my two cents.... the Lil Wayne album is FUN and only that. does it have some HEAVY hitters on it, yup. is the production flawless, yup. Does he use way to much auto tunes, yup... is it a hip hop album, no. is it fun to dance to, sure. sometimes the artist intent and the actual end results are a different. is Lil Wayne he the greatest rapper alive, i think Talib Kweli or Nas or Rakim might take issue with that. his freestlyles can be flawless, he has played the game and done well for himself.
like common said "if i dont like it, i dont like it, it dont mean im hating"
anyway The Roots new album is one of the hottest things i have heard in years...
ok begin to making fun of me.
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word on the street iz lil wayne loooovvvveeess his Teas' Tea... it mixes well with Crunk!
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word on the street iz lil wayne loooovvvveeess his Teas' Tea... it mixes well with Crunk!
But does it mix well with the sizzurp?
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Will I also be alienated for liking Edan and El-P?
What we can learn from Trembling Eagle's flameout is objectively judging art inevitably becomes subjective. As long as you own it and aren't a jerk about it, you will not be alienated.
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Will I also be alienated for liking Edan and El-P?
What we can learn from Trembling Eagle's flameout is objectively judging art inevitably becomes subjective. As long as you own it and aren't a jerk about it, you will not be alienated.
Only if you claim Wyclef is a great rapper.
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Will I also be alienated for liking Edan and El-P?
What we can learn from Trembling Eagle's flameout is objectively judging art inevitably becomes subjective. As long as you own it and aren't a jerk about it, you will not be alienated.
I'm not saying Trembling Eagle was blame-free but even if he had acknowledged an opinion as subjective, I think he would be criticized. When he did mention bands he liked, people just blatantly said that rapper sucks." I appreciated that irony. For sure, I think it was more about people not liking his tastes, rather than him getting overboard. When I first came on the board I criticized "And There Will Be Blood..." which is very much a Tom-endorsed film. Even though I expressed it as a personal opinion, I was roundly criticized. So, no, it was not an objective/subjective thing. People just don't like the guys opinions.
Also, "What we can learn"?? You speaking for the whole group, Chief?
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Will I also be alienated for liking Edan and El-P?
What we can learn from Trembling Eagle's flameout is objectively judging art inevitably becomes subjective. As long as you own it and aren't a jerk about it, you will not be alienated.
Only if you claim Wyclef is a great rapper.
I didn't start out saying that
but its easy to take the position he IS great compared to the utter trash that is wayne
any true lover of music would admit the same. You trendsters will be on to ur next flash in the pan garbage pop rapper in the next 6 months anyway. In a industry fueled by such nonsense and mediocrity a guy like Clef with a modicum of real talent can still be a evergreen though. Let's see who has the longer more meaningful career.
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I like Gold Chains.
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any true lover of music would admit the same. You trendsters will be on to ur next flash in the pan garbage pop rapper in the next 6 months anyway.
Maybe this is a reach here, but your assuming people who like Lil' Wayne only do so because they have a superficial and short-lived appreciation of rap might be why people are ragging on you.
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I didn't start out saying that
but its easy to take the position he IS great compared to the utter trash that is wayne
any true lover of music would admit the same. You trendsters will be on to ur next flash in the pan garbage pop rapper in the next 6 months anyway. In a industry fueled by such nonsense and mediocrity a guy like Clef with a modicum of real talent can still be a evergreen though. Let's see who has the longer more meaningful career.
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In fairness to Lil Wayne, he's going on 10 years (at least) in the industry now, and it's been about that long since Wyclef was really relevant. When did the Carnival come out, 98 (hey it's your favorite year again!)?
I think both of em are garbage though, so I don't know what category I'm getting boxed into with this debate. TELL ME.
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I didn't start out saying that
but its easy to take the position he IS great compared to the utter trash that is wayne
any true lover of music would admit the same. You trendsters will be on to ur next flash in the pan garbage pop rapper in the next 6 months anyway. In a industry fueled by such nonsense and mediocrity a guy like Clef with a modicum of real talent can still be a evergreen though. Let's see who has the longer more meaningful career.
In fairness to Lil Wayne, he's going on 10 years (at least) in the industry now, and it's been about that long since Wyclef was really relevant. When did the Carnival come out, 98 (hey it's your favorite year again!)?
I think both of em are garbage though, so I don't know what category I'm getting boxed into with this debate. TELL ME.
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I don't know what your definition to relevant is but there he is making a hit song with you the supposedly more relevant Wayne in way December of 07 and the links I posted to the live performances on Kimmel and Letterman where in Jan and April of 08. He's breaking new artists (the female piano player mentioned earlier), making hit records and and playing out on national TV and on the radio. Seems pretty relevant to me.
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Oh I know Wyclef is still putting out albums, and he'll probably be able to perform songs from his albums for the rest of his life, somewhere, someplace. Somewhere right now I'm sure someone is even paying Arsenio Hall to put on the Chunky A suit and rock the bells with that, but you wouldn't seriously want to call that relevance too would you?
And what does bringing up Wyclef making a song with Wayne do to refute what I just said anyways? If anything, it just kind of proves that point, and pretty much everyone else's here too, yeah?
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Oh I know Wyclef is still putting out albums, and he'll probably be able to perform songs from his albums for the rest of his life, somewhere, someplace. Somewhere right now I'm sure someone is even paying Arsenio Hall to put on the Chunky A suit and rock the bells with that, but you wouldn't seriously want to call that relevance too would you?
And what does bringing up Wyclef making a song with Wayne do to refute what I just said anyways? If anything, it just kind of proves that point, and pretty much everyone else's here too, yeah?
oh yeah because he's just playing somebodys backyard right?
Jimmy Kimmel and David Letterman is pretty useless stage for a band or artist to be featured on right?
refute what you just said? u said the guy is no longer relevant there he is doing a hit song with the guy you say IS relevant and showing more artistry while doing it. There he is writing and producing a hit song for Shakira. There he is producing charting records for Akon and Destiny Child alums in the past year. Are we working with the same definitions of words here?
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blech.
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well. after reading through this whole thread, i'm pretty sure that the next person who says "wyclef" to me in real life is going to get a stabbing.
oh wait, no one ever says wyclef to me because he's totally irrelevant and no one i know gives a crap about him. what a relief.
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oh wait, no one ever says wyclef to me because he's totally irrelevant and no one i know gives a crap about him. what a relief.
I wonder what rapper is relevant to you
lol
MOD
delete this post already
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oh wait, no one ever says wyclef to me because he's totally irrelevant and no one i know gives a crap about him. what a relief.
I wonder what rapper is relevant to you
lol
Why is that lol worthy?
MOD
delete this post already
Nah, I'm sure we can keep this going til the end of the week at least.
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I wanna see this thing hit 100 pages.
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oh wait, no one ever says wyclef to me because he's totally irrelevant and no one i know gives a crap about him. what a relief.
I wonder what rapper is relevant to you
lol
Why is that lol worthy?
MOD
delete this post already
Nah, I'm sure we can keep this going til the end of the week at least.
lol
worthy
because I've killed the relevant claims several times already
the guy is consistently makes hit records for himself and others across genres in rap pop r&b, hell he got a Grammy for the Shakira tune in the latin category. I mean he's had a hit record in the past 5 months.
Its like arguing with kids the answer I get back is NO HE IS NOT RELEVANT!...... he's just a poopy head
thats laugh out funny to me
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I wanna see this thing hit 100 pages.
I just have to exercise some self control to stop it here
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=BeCp6nLPQ8Q
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oh wait, no one ever says wyclef to me because he's totally irrelevant and no one i know gives a crap about him. what a relief.
I wonder what rapper is relevant to you
lol
MOD
delete this post already
OR, MOD i thought someone was supposed to be banned!
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if winning a grammy is all it takes to be considered relevant, then by all means, let's call up maroon 5, carrie underwood, and evanescence and get them to form a panel on songwriting so we can access the brilliant minds of some of the greatest musicians of our time!
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if winning a grammy is all it takes to be considered relevant, then by all means, let's call up maroon 5, carrie underwood, and evanescence and get them to form a panel on songwriting so we can access the brilliant minds of some of the greatest musicians of our time!
whats relevant to u then?
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if winning a grammy is all it takes to be considered relevant, then by all means, let's call up maroon 5, carrie underwood, and evanescence and get them to form a panel on songwriting so we can access the brilliant minds of some of the greatest musicians of our time!
whats relevant to u then?
what, offer up my favorite musicians on a platter so that strangers on an internet forum can rip them apart for sport?
what do i look like, an idiot?
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if winning a grammy is all it takes to be considered relevant, then by all means, let's call up maroon 5, carrie underwood, and evanescence and get them to form a panel on songwriting so we can access the brilliant minds of some of the greatest musicians of our time!
whats relevant to u then?
Defending the Grammies?? That is over the line. I withdraw my former support.
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if winning a grammy is all it takes to be considered relevant, then by all means, let's call up maroon 5, carrie underwood, and evanescence and get them to form a panel on songwriting so we can access the brilliant minds of some of the greatest musicians of our time!
whats relevant to u then?
what, offer up my favorite musicians on a platter so that strangers on an internet forum can rip them apart for sport?
what do i look like, an idiot?
No, no I wouldn't dare to ask you to step out in such a brave and bold way
as to *gasp* name bands u like (oh no not that)
just state what criteria you use for judging whether an artist is "relevant"
does it have to do with working as an entertainer and performing, creating albums, influencing your contemporaries, innovating a sound etc etc
whats the metrics for relevance according to u?
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hell he got a Grammy for the Shakira tune in the latin category. I mean he's had a hit record in the past 5 months.
In all fairness to Wyclef, his rapping on Hips Don't Lie ruined a perfectly good pop song. You keep bringing up all the producing Wyclef does when that really is beside the point. He may still be relevant in that realm but this whole topic was about the ability to rap, not the other things that go along with it. You can't claim that Wyclef has been relevant as a rapper in years.
I really like this guy, he's probably my favorite "indie backpack" rapper:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KKBdBvNDdE[/youtube]
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funny.. i actually tried to get through when tom brought up tha carter iii because i felt he didn't even give it a fair shake
tha carter iii is a great album. a few throwaway radio songs.. but that's to be expected. the rest of the record is as experimental as top 10 rap gets. the lead off street single doesn't even have a chorus. how many major label southern mcs would rap over a david axelrod loop that sounds like it could be an outtake from atcq album?? he has a song about being a martian. shoot me down & playing with fire have rock choruses... and they actually sound good. fabolous & juelz both destroy their verses. etc. etc.
i also like tha carter ii, tha carter, dedication 2, lil weezyana & da drought 3 a lot.
lil wayne said wobbly-dee wobbly-dee.
wycelf jean made a song with the rock.
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An FYI about the point of view that you are arguing from (since the backpacker-era is before your time, I am guessing you are around 22), Trembling Eagle. This 'mainstream hiphop is trash and doesn't have the artistry of whatever Public Enemy/Native Tongues/Rawkus Records artists/etc.' stance that you are taking about Lil' Wayne is what was said about Jay-Z pre-Blueprint and Biggie Smalls pre-dying. It's a point of view that propped up rappers like Canibus. Its a stance in a false argument (any type of hip hop can be done well and be good) that has been repeated over and over again (read the okayplayer boards, you will see this argument in many threads).
Also, you sound like someone who made up his mind about Lil Wayne based on this guest verse on a Wyclef song and maybe a couple other experiences with him. Please clarify if I am wrong about this.
Lastly, I have never understood how Wyclef came to be revered or respected, to me he was always second fiddle in an over-hyped group and the fact that most of his hits (with or without the Fugees) are covers never made me respect him much. He made a career in music though, so good for him. I am not a part of his target audience. But to those who've trashed him, it's not a fake Jamacian accent, he is from Haiti and moved to New Jersey at age 9. I'd imagine he spent much of his first years in America in neighborhoods that are mostly Haitian.
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i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.
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i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.
I thought you were referring to that particular Fugazi album under your name. Now, that's a snoozer.
Ogh, I'm kidding. I love that album. This environment has poisoned me. Let's fight about everything. Who else hates sunshine and puppies?
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i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.
I thought you were referring to that particular Fugazi album under your name. Now, that's a snoozer.
Ogh, I'm kidding. I love that album. This environment has poisoned me. Let's fight about everything. Who else hates sunshine and puppies?
puppies!?! PUPPIES!?!? kittens are way more relevant! if you don't agree with me then you are stupid.
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I wanna see this thing hit 100 pages.
I just have to exercise some self control to stop it here
You should try a little harder.
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Trembling Eagle, I felt badly for you when I outed you as Frank the Robot Tank elsewhere. Given the fact that you are a fan of his, there is nothing that I can do to help.
So I give you this:
I raise u ATR
[youtube]hkb3r9filcM[/youtube]
I win
oh man. i miss when DHR was good. i was just listening to the Lolita Storm album a few minutes ago. (i'm the only person on earth who loves that album)
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i didn't mean to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz you eric, you just posted right before me.
I thought you were referring to that particular Fugazi album under your name. Now, that's a snoozer.
Ogh, I'm kidding. I love that album. This environment has poisoned me. Let's fight about everything. Who else hates sunshine and puppies?
puppies!?! PUPPIES!?!? kittens are way more relevant! if you don't agree with me then you are stupid.
i agree with you!
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I ONLY LISTEN TO HIP-HOP* THAT IS MADE ON AN MPC!!!! NO HOMO!
*4 ELEMENTZ YALL ITZ A WHOLE CULTURE!!!!!!
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This is the worst "discussion" about rap music of all time. :'(
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This is the worst "discussion" about rap music of all time. :'(
If only. (http://www.ohword.com/blog/960/it-takes-a-nation-of-haircuts-to-hold-us-back)
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it gets so much worse..
this thread is only slightly worse than discussing young buck's phone call to 50 cent about how he doesn't understand his taxes.
(yet not quite as bad as the discussions surrounding the youtube videos ice-t & soulja boy have been sending each other.)
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This is the worst "discussion" about rap music of all time. :'(
If only. (http://www.ohword.com/blog/960/it-takes-a-nation-of-haircuts-to-hold-us-back)
"Kool G Rap erased racism."
Good news. Tell everyone.
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It's time for us all to turn our attention to another debate....
Puppies vs. kitties
I say puppies rule. All of you who think kitties are the best don't know $%^&.
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Wow, this thread is still going.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKKxPtP6XjQ
Lock thread.
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I say that while their styles are distinct, neither is more "significant" than the other strictly on the basis of their recorded output to date. Which throws us into the tiebreaker.....which has a higher sperm count?
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Lil Wayne + Wyclef = race to the bottom
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they're no Earl Grey, that's for sure.
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My favorite rapper is Woodsy.
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My favorite rapper is Woodsy.
You know I've never heard Lil' Wayne use the word "tomatoes" in a lyric but I bet his delivery is identical to Woodsy's.