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The Best Show on WFMU => Dear Tom => Topic started by: Joe Rogaine on November 28, 2008, 03:16:01 AM

Title: In The Flesh
Post by: Joe Rogaine on November 28, 2008, 03:16:01 AM
In the flesh is a religious term. It means that one is sinning.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: masterofsparks on November 28, 2008, 08:24:22 PM
It's also a Pink Floyd term.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: buffcoat on November 29, 2008, 02:00:01 PM
It's also a Pink Floyd term.

As is "In the Flesh?"

Like 5 of the titles on The Wall are the same thing.  How lazy.


I did spend the late part of Thanksgiving night watching Pink Floyd documentaries on VH1 Classic.  I cannot recommend the Classic Albums: The Dark Side of the Moon enough.  It was a really interesting and well done documentary.  Top freaking shelf.  Seriously.

I also enjoyed "Which One's Pink?"  It was much better than "The Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett Story."  The good news is that Roger Waters seems to have completely realized what a douchebag he had been, although David Gilmour doesn't seem to be willing to forgive him or come off his high horse.  It's funny, because it feels very much like the Diamond Dave-Eddie Van Halen feud, when it comes right down to it.

As most drummers do, Nick Mason seems like by far the one who has handled it all with the most aplomb and humor.  He's a very rich man who seems to have a pretty good view of the world and himself in it.  Good job, Nick.  And RIP Richard Wright.



Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: snogrog on November 29, 2008, 07:18:36 PM
Yeah I remember REALLY liking the Classic Albums on DSotM. Very well done, and very interesting stories. Of course I also saw it during a period when I was REALLY into Pink Floyd at the time and listening to a bunch of their stuff, but regardless, Dark Side of the Moon is still a good album and learning about the creative process behind it was definitely cool.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: masterofsparks on November 29, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
I'll have to check that out even though I'm not much of a DSoTM fan. Have you seen Live at Pompeii? That's my favorite Floyd stuff, more even than the Piper at the Gates of Dawn that you're supposed to say is your favorite if you're cool and not a chump. There's some studio footage during the DSoTM sessions in there as well, but the crazy live performances in the ancient arena are the real reason to watch.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: buffcoat on November 30, 2008, 06:41:39 PM
I'll have to check that out even though I'm not much of a DSoTM fan. Have you seen Live at Pompeii? That's my favorite Floyd stuff, more even than the Piper at the Gates of Dawn that you're supposed to say is your favorite if you're cool and not a chump. There's some studio footage during the DSoTM sessions in there as well, but the crazy live performances in the ancient arena is the real reason to watch.

They use a lot of that footage in the Classic Albums show. 

My favorite is "Animals," which could be cool but probably completely isn't.  I mean, 3 10-minute plus songs with an Orwellian theme?  Could Yes have done something more bloated?

The least cool thing, though, would be to say "Division Bell."  The second least cool to say is "Atom Heart Mother," which just isn't very good, with the exception of "Summer '68."  That to me would mark you as a total poseur.


When they were listing albums in the overall documentary, they completely skipped Ummagumma, More, Obscured by Clouds, the work on Zabriskie Point.  I guess those weren't "real" enough albums.

Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: masterofsparks on November 30, 2008, 08:24:01 PM
More is worth a mention solely for The Nile Song, which is a good one to play for non-Floyd fans. It invariably gets the "THIS is Pink Floyd?" reaction.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Tom Scharpling on November 30, 2008, 09:31:52 PM
In the flesh is a religious term. It means that one is sinning.

I figured it was a religious term, but why was Willie Aames saying he was so in the flesh out of anger for the camera crew who showed up at his door?

Aames is throwing me off here! Help!

Tom.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: buffcoat on December 01, 2008, 09:45:29 AM
Are Willie Aames and Kirk Cameron in cahoots?

"You are... a blasphemer."
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Wes on December 01, 2008, 09:54:41 AM
This blog (http://christiansbehaving.wordpress.com/2005/07/29/case-1-celebrity-fit-club/) claims that Willie was acknowledging that the anger he felt towards the Celebrity Fit Club Drill Sergeant was a sin.

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Dirty Deed #1

Willie Aames has missed his target weight goal for another week and the drill sergeant pays him a surprise house call. Willie is having a bad morning and doesn’t want to deal with this for whatever reason. So the episode contains a lot of rude behavior from Willie such as door slamming, yelling, and garden-hosing of the drill sergeant, culminating in a yelling match in the “boardroom” scene. To his credit, it’s obvious that Willie knows he is “in the flesh” as he admits, but I cringed for him the whole time.


Of course, in the same post, the blog also claims that Gary Busey's "boldness and proactive orientation is a huge asset to him" and appears to go on to compare Busey to the prophet Elijah after seemingly noting that Busey may have implied that the Snapple Lady is the Antichrist, so who knows?
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: erechoveraker on December 01, 2008, 02:27:28 PM
My aunt and uncle (as do their other evangelical friends) use the term a lot, and possibly incorrectly, before I ever saw the Fit Club event too. I think it just refers to any feelings that are too earthly, vs acting in the holy spirit all the time. Any time you get too hung up on anger, money, sex, fun, awesome stuff, you're "in the flesh". They expect themselves to be above those sort of things all the time, or at least recognize when they aren't I guess - I think their basis on what is considered sinning is a lot more critical than the bible says. So Tom was at least in my experience using the phrase correctly, or in the common form rather.

This is the same aunt and uncle mind you, who cook a cake on Xmas and light candles (sadly they don't add 2K+ candles to it though) and sing happy birthday to Jesus every year too.

*SHRUG*
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: buffcoat on December 01, 2008, 03:22:20 PM
I might point out that "In the flesh" most commonly means "in person" or "Yep, it's me [her, him, it]."
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Joe Rogaine on December 01, 2008, 06:55:19 PM
In the flesh is a religious term. It means that one is sinning.

I figured it was a religious term, but why was Willie Aames saying he was so in the flesh out of anger for the camera crew who showed up at his door?

Aames is throwing me off here! Help!

Tom.

Maybe he was mad because Bibleman got caught being a slob.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Joe Rogaine on December 01, 2008, 06:56:01 PM
I might point out that "In the flesh" most commonly means "in person" or "Yep, it's me [her, him, it]."

Never thought of that use but I guess your right.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Regular Joe on December 02, 2008, 02:53:30 AM
I might point out that "In the flesh" most commonly means "in person" or "Yep, it's me [her, him, it]."

Never thought of that use but I guess your right.

To take that a bit further, I always thought it was about the religious definition between spirit and body. Like, if you're living the good word, you get to float around in your magical ghost form all day, but once you let sin get the better of you, you're called back to your dirty, sinful flesh to TCOB.

I've been searching for a clip of that moment where Aames slams the door with his forearm, but no such luck! You'd think that would be out there somewhere, right?
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Sarah on December 02, 2008, 07:01:19 AM
Might it not have been a declaration born of shame, however angrily expressed?  We do, after all, tend to get mad at those who embarrass us.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: jbissell on December 02, 2008, 11:09:08 AM
I've been searching for a clip of that moment where Aames slams the door with his forearm, but no such luck! You'd think that would be out there somewhere, right?


I couldn't find it on youtube but here's a link to it on the VH1 site:
http://www.vh1.com/video/play.jhtml?id=1537840&vid=56041

I think this is one of my favorite reality TV moments ever.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: buffcoat on December 02, 2008, 11:15:23 AM
Wow, those tattoos.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: jbissell on December 02, 2008, 11:36:08 AM
Wow, those tattoos.

They're from his brief stint in the Yakuza.
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: Joe Rogaine on December 02, 2008, 08:08:30 PM
Its a cool juxtaposition from the normal alter ego who would suspect Bible man to be inked up.


Also is it me or does he look like a miscast Latin gang member?
Title: Re: In The Flesh
Post by: cutout on November 01, 2017, 03:05:37 PM
An update about Willie, post-Celebrity Fit Club, from 2013.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnR2GBDH278 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnR2GBDH278)