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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3690 on: February 11, 2010, 10:44:02 PM »

Did anyone else wonder who that professional radio host was that called in at about 2:31 into the birthday show?

Brett/Bret from Colorado: http://www.divshare.com/direct/10452598-d0c.mp3


I remembered this DJ from the last time I was in Denver/Boulder.  Could it be?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnieUXXmrVI[/youtube]


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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3691 on: February 12, 2010, 12:22:44 PM »
I have to say, whoever wrote this "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" song has the worst feel for poetic analogy I've ever seen:

Every rose has its thorn (Cliche much? But OK)

Just like every night has its dawn (Wait, how is a dawn "just like" a thorn?  One conventionally symbolizes an end to suffering, while the other is a source of suffering that attends something pleasurable.)

Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song (But how is that "just like" a thorn or a dawn?  A cowboy is just a neutral term for a guy, there's nothing incongruous about him singing a sad, sad song.  Maybe he's sad!  Plus, is this even true?  I don't remember Roy Rogers singing any sad, sad songs.)

And then later on we get this:

Though it's been a while now
I can still feel so much pain
Like a knife that cuts you the wound heals
but the scar, that scar will remain


A scar as an analogy for the pain you still feel?  How lame is that?  Scars don't hurt.  They memorialize a pain that may be remembered, but is not still felt. And then two verses later, just in case we forget how unimaginative this guy is, he doesn't come up with another cliche; he revisits the cliche he just used:

And to see you cuts me like a knife

Dumbest member of Poison: This guy.
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3692 on: February 12, 2010, 12:48:16 PM »
I have to say, whoever wrote this "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" song has the worst feel for poetic analogy I've ever seen:

Every rose has its thorn (Cliche much? But OK)

Just like every night has its dawn (Wait, how is a dawn "just like" a thorn?  One conventionally symbolizes an end to suffering, while the other is a source of suffering that attends something pleasurable.)

Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song (But how is that "just like" a thorn or a dawn?  A cowboy is just a neutral term for a guy, there's nothing incongruous about him singing a sad, sad song.  Maybe he's sad!  Plus, is this even true?  I don't remember Roy Rogers singing any sad, sad songs.)

And then later on we get this:

Though it's been a while now
I can still feel so much pain
Like a knife that cuts you the wound heals
but the scar, that scar will remain


A scar as an analogy for the pain you still feel?  How lame is that?  Scars don't hurt.  They memorialize a pain that may be remembered, but is not still felt. And then two verses later, just in case we forget how unimaginative this guy is, he doesn't come up with another cliche; he revisits the cliche he just used:

And to see you cuts me like a knife

Dumbest member of Poison: This guy.

This post is disrespectul.  I don't like it AT ALL.
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3693 on: February 12, 2010, 01:29:47 PM »
I have to say, whoever wrote this "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" song has the worst feel for poetic analogy I've ever seen:

Every rose has its thorn (Cliche much? But OK)

Just like every night has its dawn (Wait, how is a dawn "just like" a thorn?  One conventionally symbolizes an end to suffering, while the other is a source of suffering that attends something pleasurable.)

Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song (But how is that "just like" a thorn or a dawn?  A cowboy is just a neutral term for a guy, there's nothing incongruous about him singing a sad, sad song.  Maybe he's sad!  Plus, is this even true?  I don't remember Roy Rogers singing any sad, sad songs.)

And then later on we get this:

Though it's been a while now
I can still feel so much pain
Like a knife that cuts you the wound heals
but the scar, that scar will remain


A scar as an analogy for the pain you still feel?  How lame is that?  Scars don't hurt.  They memorialize a pain that may be remembered, but is not still felt. And then two verses later, just in case we forget how unimaginative this guy is, he doesn't come up with another cliche; he revisits the cliche he just used:

And to see you cuts me like a knife

Dumbest member of Poison: This guy.

Can't really argue with all of that, and I can't say that I even remotely like that tune. But in all honesty, in that chorus, this "dumb" dude from Poison wrote an earworm that millions have memorized, whether they like it or not, in their musical memories forever.

That's gotta count for something.

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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3694 on: February 12, 2010, 01:43:25 PM »
Also if one plunders the Poison catalog -- or, you know, like the entire catalog of all rock music ever -- looking for lyrical cliches, it'll be, as Tom Keifer might say, a long cold winter.

For the record, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," is good, but not even in the Top 10 of Poison songs.

I'll detail said Top 10* in a book due out in 2014.  Tentative title: The Encyclopedia of Pop Metal.  Forewards by Donald Dokken, Herman Rarebell, and Mac.  I hope to get blurbs from Lonn Friend, Riki Rachtman, and Kyle Kyle, the original Bang Tango bassist.

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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3695 on: February 12, 2010, 02:19:52 PM »
Also if one plunders the Poison catalog -- or, you know, like the entire catalog of all rock music ever -- looking for lyrical cliches, it'll be, as Tom Keifer might say, a long cold winter.

For the record, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," is good, but not even in the Top 10 of Poison songs.

I'll detail said Top 10* in a book due out in 2014.  Tentative title: The Encyclopedia of Pop Metal.  Forewards by Donald Dokken, Herman Rarebell, and Mac.  I hope to get blurbs from Lonn Friend, Riki Rachtman, and Kyle Kyle, the original Bang Tango bassist.

*"Ride the Wind" is #1!

I just hope Daniel Bukszpan is involved in some way.
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3696 on: February 12, 2010, 02:57:49 PM »
Also if one plunders the Poison catalog -- or, you know, like the entire catalog of all rock music ever -- looking for lyrical cliches, it'll be, as Tom Keifer might say, a long cold winter.

Not untrue, but some might say that catalogs with toxically high levels of cliche are the work of, y'know, dumb songwriters.
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3697 on: February 12, 2010, 03:57:03 PM »
There is smart dumb, and there is just plain dumb.

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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3698 on: February 12, 2010, 04:48:51 PM »
I have to say, whoever wrote this "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" song has the worst feel for poetic analogy I've ever seen:

Every rose has its thorn (Cliche much? But OK)

Just like every night has its dawn (Wait, how is a dawn "just like" a thorn?  One conventionally symbolizes an end to suffering, while the other is a source of suffering that attends something pleasurable.)

Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song (But how is that "just like" a thorn or a dawn?  A cowboy is just a neutral term for a guy, there's nothing incongruous about him singing a sad, sad song.  Maybe he's sad!  Plus, is this even true?  I don't remember Roy Rogers singing any sad, sad songs.)

And then later on we get this:

Though it's been a while now
I can still feel so much pain
Like a knife that cuts you the wound heals
but the scar, that scar will remain


A scar as an analogy for the pain you still feel?  How lame is that?  Scars don't hurt.  They memorialize a pain that may be remembered, but is not still felt. And then two verses later, just in case we forget how unimaginative this guy is, he doesn't come up with another cliche; he revisits the cliche he just used:

And to see you cuts me like a knife

Dumbest member of Poison: This guy.

Hello Mark:

I have to say, I respectfully disagree with your analysis of Poison's "Every Rose has Its Thorn". Bret Michaels is speaking to the constant nature of women--Every beautiful women can cause harm, and this is a universal truth in his eyes, thus the comparison to nights and their dawns (every night does indeed have a dawn), and every cowboy, presumably, has a sad song in their repertoire of songs about life on a cattle drive (Roy Rogers hardly being the traditional archetype of a cowboy and thus is a poor standard for understanding cowboy culture).

As far as scars: physical scars do not hurt, but Bret Michaels is talking about emotional pain. For anyone that has participated in psychotherapy can attest, emotional scars do indeed still hurt.

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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3699 on: February 12, 2010, 05:08:45 PM »
Thank you for your civil tone, professor.  I don't want to hijack this thread so I'll just respond to two of your points and then bow out:

Emotional trauma can cause lasting pain, but I would say that referring to that pain as a "scar" is an inapt use of figurative language, since literal scars don't hurt.

And if you want to get literal about cowboy culture, not every cowboy even sings at all! Sad, sad songs or happy, happy ones. How about that, hah?
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3700 on: February 12, 2010, 05:13:09 PM »
I would be shocked to discover a true cowboy that didn't sing any song.

Of course, cowboy is an incredibly vague word given all its connotations--There are actors, like Roy Rogers or John Wayne, that have radically altered the meaning of the word. I consider it an occupation--one who participated in the cattle drives when steer were taken to slaughter. Of course, by this definition I get into murky water as to whether or not truck drivers are modern-day cowboys (the answer is no. They are truck drivers).

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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3701 on: February 12, 2010, 05:52:54 PM »
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3702 on: February 12, 2010, 07:51:30 PM »
Also if one plunders the Poison catalog -- or, you know, like the entire catalog of all rock music ever -- looking for lyrical cliches, it'll be, as Tom Keifer might say, a long cold winter.

For the record, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," is good, but not even in the Top 10 of Poison songs.

I'll detail said Top 10* in a book due out in 2014.  Tentative title: The Encyclopedia of Pop Metal.  Forewards by Donald Dokken, Herman Rarebell, and Mac.  I hope to get blurbs from Lonn Friend, Riki Rachtman, and Kyle Kyle, the original Bang Tango bassist.

*"Ride the Wind" is #1!

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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3703 on: February 12, 2010, 08:23:15 PM »
I did what the kids these days call a "mash-up" of one of the many, many great PFT moments on the episode. Enjoy!
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Re: The Best/Worst Moments of last night's show
« Reply #3704 on: February 12, 2010, 08:57:35 PM »
I don't really know anything about rock music and I like that Poison song
good ballad

 

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